Ad-Libros - O.Crottaz - Le blog à Lupus - Tradosaure- Argentum Aurum


Nous sommes actuellement le 19 Avr 2024 19:03

Heures au format UTC + 1 heure [ Heure d’été ]




Publier un nouveau sujet Répondre au sujet  [ 16 messages ]  Aller à la page 1, 2  Suivant
Auteur Message
 Sujet du message: Gold now cheapest vs stocks since January 2008
MessagePublié: 03 Juin 2014 11:55 
Hors-ligne
Avatar de l’utilisateur

Inscrit le: 21 Oct 2008 12:26
Messages: 3018
The price of gold fell 3% last week and continued to drift lower on Monday, hitting fresh four-month lows at $1,243 an ounce.

Gold remains some 4% to the upside for 2014 but is down $135 from highs reached mid-March as the rally on the back of safe haven demand and bargain hunting loses steam.

US stock markets however have been on an incredible winning streak.

In a new note, the research team at ETF Securities points out that the gold to S&P 500 ratio has fallen close to its lowest level since early 2008.


Is gold a cheap insurance option right now?"

The institutional investment advisers based in London says this begs the question: "Is gold a cheap insurance option right now?"

"The VIX equity volatility index declined to near its lowest level since 2007. Meanwhile the S&P 500 extended its longest winning streak above its 200-day moving average since 1998, helping drive the gold/S&P 500 ratio to 0.65, near the lowest level since January of 2008.

"In our view it is difficult to believe volatility can remain this low indefinitely. Therefore now may be a good time for investors to consider looking at gold as insurance against a potential rise in volatility."

http://www.mining.com/charts-gold-now-c ... ign=digest


Haut
 Profil  
 
 Sujet du message: Re: Gold now cheapest vs stocks since January 2008
MessagePublié: 03 Juin 2014 12:02 
Hors-ligne
Avatar de l’utilisateur

Inscrit le: 26 Mar 2010 22:57
Messages: 9729
http://www.safehaven.com/article/34014/ ... -listening

outre les prévisions apocalyptiques reprises par le FMG ....

y'a ça qui retient mon attention

Image


Haut
 Profil  
 
 Sujet du message: Re: Gold now cheapest vs stocks since January 2008
MessagePublié: 03 Juin 2014 13:13 
En ligne
Avatar de l’utilisateur

Inscrit le: 21 Oct 2008 21:44
Messages: 14230
Localisation: ----
Oui...
Qu'en déduis-tu?

_________________
"Le droit est l'intermède des forces" Paul Valéry

"La vérité? Une marotte d'adolescent, ou un symptôme de sénilité." Cioran (La tentation d'exister)

Othello? Une tempête dans un Verdi. (Willy)


Haut
 Profil  
 
 Sujet du message: Re: Gold now cheapest vs stocks since January 2008
MessagePublié: 03 Juin 2014 13:55 
Hors-ligne
Avatar de l’utilisateur

Inscrit le: 20 Oct 2008 09:45
Messages: 4081
numismachin a écrit:
Oui...
Qu'en déduis-tu?


Le rapport indique que les mines($XAU) sont historiquement trop bon marché par rapport à l'or ($GOLD)
ou
que l'or est trop cher par rapport aux mines ... mais ça c'est impossible car beaucoup de mines travaillent au seuil de rentabilité. Donc si l'or baisse encore, les mines ferment.

A final, le prix de l'or est trop faible et ne tient pas compte du coût de production. Si la demande d'or se maintient (et c'est le cas, merci les chinois et indiens), le prix de l'or doit remonter.

Bref, achat fort en faveur de l'or et achat très fort en faveur des mines :D :D :D :D :D

PS: l'auteur du graphique a une analyse inverse de la mienne: selon lui, l'or est trop cher par rapport aux mines DONC l'or DOIT Chuter.
Ce qui amha est idiot car la demande d'or est forte et l'offre faible = hausse des prix dans un marché non manipulé. Et si le marché reste manipulé à la baisse l'offre de physique disparaitra totalement ou on aura le "freegold", c-à-d un cours officiel pour du papier et un prix réel beaucoup plus haut dans le commerce du physique.

_________________
Image
Site > http://argentum-aurum.com - en réparation
Pinterest - Graphiques - Photos MPx > https://fr.pinterest.com/argentumaurumeu/
Twitter > https://twitter.com/#!/ArgentumAurum


Haut
 Profil  
 
 Sujet du message: Re: Gold now cheapest vs stocks since January 2008
MessagePublié: 03 Juin 2014 14:04 
Hors-ligne
Avatar de l’utilisateur

Inscrit le: 26 Mar 2010 22:57
Messages: 9729
numismachin a écrit:
Oui...
Qu'en déduis-tu?


Citer:
Gold/XAU : l’indicateur clé des opportunités minières

Le XAU ou Philadelphia Index Gold & Silver Miners Index établit quotidiennement le cours moyens de douzes mines d’Amérique du Nord qui vendent majoritairement au comptant. Historiquement, un ratio Gold/XAU élevé indique une sous-valorisation des actions minières. Et inversement, un ratio Gold / XAU faible montre que le cours de l’or est bien intégré dans le cours des actions minières. Depuis 1974, deux limites historiques se dégagent : 5 et 3.

Lorsque le ratio Gold/XAU dépasse 5, les actions aurifères sont très sous-évaluées. Elles rattrappent ensuite leur retard avec une performance annuelle moyenne de 90 %. Lorsque le ratio Gold/XAU descend en dessous de 3, les actions minières sont surévaluées. Elles baissent alors à un rythme annuel moyen de 36 %.

Aujourd’hui, le Gold/XAU reste encore en dessous de 4 (3,93 au 13 février). On peut en déduire que, s’il est un peu tard pour acquérir les minières à grande capitalisation, de bonnes occasions subsistent pour les plus petites dont le cours est resté à la traîne sans raison technique.

La plupart des sites financiers donnent la cote du XAU et un prix de l’once au fixing (Londres ou New-York). Le ratio est donc relativement aisé à surveiller.


dixit simone
http://la-chronique-agora.com/petite-co ... -precieux/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelph ... lver_Index

Citer:
This list is complete and up-to-date as of March 12, 2014.
Company Symbol
Agnico Eagle Mines Limited NYSE: AEM
Allied Nevada Gold Corp. NYSE MKT: ANV
AngloGold Ashanti Ltd. NYSE: AU
AuRico Gold Inc. NYSE: AUQ
Banro Corporation NYSE MKT: BAA
Barrick Gold Corporation NYSE: ABX
Coeur Mining, Inc. NYSE: CDE
Compañia de Mínas Buenaventura NYSE: BVN
Eldorado Gold Corp. NYSE: EGO
First Majestic Silver Corp. NYSE: AG
Freeport-McMoRan Copper & Gold Inc. NYSE: FCX
Gold Fields Ltd. NYSE: GFI
Gold Resource Corporation NYSE MKT: GORO
Goldcorp Inc. NYSE: GG
Harmony Gold Mining Company Limited NYSE: HMY
Hecla Mining Co. NYSE: HL
IAMGOLD Corp. NYSE: IAG
Kinross Gold Corporation NYSE: KGC
McEwen Mining Inc. NYSE: MUX
New Gold, Inc. NYSE MKT: NGD
Newmont Mining Corporation NYSE: NEM
NovaGold Resources Inc. NYSE MKT: NG
Pan American Silver Corp. NASDAQ: PAAS
Randgold Resources Limited NASDAQ: GOLD
Royal Gold, Inc. NASDAQ: RGLD
Seabridge Gold, Inc. NYSE: SA
Silver Standard Resources Inc. NASDAQ: SSRI
Silver Wheaton Corp. NYSE: SLW
Tanzanian Royalty Exploration Corp. NYSE MKT: TRX
Yamana Gold, Inc. NYSE: AUY



à chacun d'y voir ce qu'il a envie

Image

Image

Pièce jointe:
xau 3.png
xau 3.png [ 37.73 Kio | Consulté 7710 fois ]


Pièce jointe:
xau 4.png
xau 4.png [ 18.64 Kio | Consulté 7727 fois ]


Pièce jointe:
hui 003.png
hui 003.png [ 15.61 Kio | Consulté 7732 fois ]


Pièce jointe:
xau gold since 1983.png
xau gold since 1983.png [ 36.92 Kio | Consulté 7723 fois ]


Haut
 Profil  
 
 Sujet du message: Re: Gold now cheapest vs stocks since January 2008
MessagePublié: 03 Juin 2014 14:09 
Hors-ligne
Avatar de l’utilisateur

Inscrit le: 20 Oct 2008 09:45
Messages: 4081
YES, 100% d'accord avec Silvermath ;)

_________________
Image
Site > http://argentum-aurum.com - en réparation
Pinterest - Graphiques - Photos MPx > https://fr.pinterest.com/argentumaurumeu/
Twitter > https://twitter.com/#!/ArgentumAurum


Haut
 Profil  
 
 Sujet du message: Re: Gold now cheapest vs stocks since January 2008
MessagePublié: 03 Juin 2014 14:15 
Hors-ligne
Avatar de l’utilisateur

Inscrit le: 26 Mar 2010 22:57
Messages: 9729
http://www.caseyresearch.com/articles/t ... n-30-years

Citer:
The Greatest Opportunity in 30 Years
Jeff Clark, Senior Precious Metals Analyst

I caught myself daydreaming last week…

It's October 27, 2008, and Silver Wheaton (SLW) just hit $3 per share. I buy 10,000 shares, more than I've ever devoted to any one stock. I sell half when it hits $33 per share and pocket $150,000 after a 1,000% gain. I pay off the mortgage, and my wife quits work—and I still have 5,000 shares…

Not a bad daydream, eh? I don't know how many investors actually had the intestinal fortitude to plunk down a big lump of cash on a stock at that time—but Silver Wheaton did indeed offer that 1,000% return, and more.

When you look back at the investments that have made the most money over the past few decades, they've always been assets that had reached an extreme—an extreme low or an extreme high. Buying gold at $250 per ounce in 2001… buying tech stocks in the early '90s or Apple Computer at $8 per share in 2003… shorting real estate in 2007 or the stock market in 2008… the list goes on.

Each of those speculations led to massive returns only because the price of the respective asset was either dramatically undervalued and poised to take off or, in the case of the short sales, a bubble ready to pop.

Paradoxically, such opportunities aren't that hard to find—the truth is, they sprout up all the time. What is hard to find is the type of investor who has the guts to take advantage of those opportunities.

Fact is, most people run from assets that are at an all-time low… and happily buy into stocks that are reaching their peak. As legendary resource investor Rick Rule likes to say, "You're either a contrarian or you're a victim."

When you think about it, the strategy for getting rich—a strategy regularly applied by the Doug Caseys and Rick Rules of the world—is deceptively simple:

Find an asset at an extreme (low or high) and determine if it's headed in the other direction anytime soon;
Take a significant position and hold the fort while market forces play out.

That's all. The difficult part is to muster the courage to hold on when all your senses are screaming that it's a huge mistake, that your investment will never pan out, that today's fool (you) is tomorrow's loser.

If, on the other hand, you don't mind going where others fear to tread, opportunities practically jump into your outstretched hands.

Here's the best one I know of right now: gold stocks.

Actually, to say they're a "good opportunity" is a laughable understatement: Gold stocks are at an extreme low we haven't seen in over 30 years in this industry.

Let me prove it to you.

An effective way to measure the true value of gold stocks is to compare them to the gold price. Other things being equal, a gold producer selling for $20 per share at a $1,500 gold price is a heck of a lot cheaper than when gold's at $1,000. (When the price of a product is higher, the stock is more valuable, and vice versa.)

The XAU (Philadelphia Gold and Silver Index) consists of 30 gold and silver stocks and began trading in December 1983. Here are the first 23 years of the Index's ratio to gold.

Image

Any time the ratio reached 0.20 or below, gold stocks were undervalued in relation to gold, and investors who bought at those inflection points made a profit. Conversely, once the ratio reached 0.34 or above, stocks were overvalued and due for a pullback.

For 23 years, from its inception through 2007, the XAU/gold ratio provided fairly reliable feedback for investors.

Now let's add the rest of the data.

Image

Today, the XAU/gold ratio is at a historic low of 0.07.

To fully appreciate what this means, look at these former lows for comparison:

It's lower than the 2008 gold stock selloff;
It's lower than the "nuclear winter" of the mid-'90s;
It's lower than the very beginning of the gold bull market in 2001.


Right now, gold stocks are like a rubber band that's being stretched to an extreme. As all rubber bands do, it will snap back. And not just that; based on how extreme the undervaluation has become, they're bound to be among the most profitable investments of this generation.

A year ago, I pointed out how cheap gold stocks were—and yes, they managed to get cheaper still. But that fact only underscores how vast this opportunity really is.

Current sentiment in the precious metals sector, especially the stocks, is beyond dreary: it's pitiful. At the Toronto Stock Exchange, where most mining stocks are traded, security guards are now doubling as suicide watchmen. (OK, I made that up.)

What I didn't make up is that your chances of following in Doug Casey's or Rick Rule's footsteps—and making similar breathtaking returns—have never been higher. Upside is at its greatest when even the cab driver laughs at the thought of buying a gold stock.

As conditions return to normal, huge profits will be made… by those who didn't listen to the investing herd and its mouthpieces in the mainstream financial media.

Is there a guarantee gold stocks will rebound and deliver life-changing profits? I'm sure you've heard the "death and taxes" thing, so I don't have to answer that question.

And there are some scenarios that could conceivably prevent gold and silver from rebounding—possibly killing off the miners for a generation:

If billions of Chinese, Indians, and other Asians finally realize that unbacked paper currencies are much more desirable to hold than physical gold and silver…
If Ben Bernanke vows never to print another bloody greenback again, and neither does his successor…
If Congress unanimously agrees to lower, instead of raise, the debt ceiling and drastically cut all but core spending, for the health of the country and its citizens (I know, don't make me laugh)…
If solar panel manufacturers and dozens of other industries find a valid replacement for silver in their products…
If the insane amount of $700 trillion in derivatives circling the world like a cloud of toxic particles suddenly evaporates…
If Beijing calls a press conference and proclaims they were mistaken and now feel no need to diversify out of the US dollar, that it's the one and only reserve currency the world will ever need…

… then we might see that happen. But I'm not holding my breath on any of these. (A phrase about snowballs and hot places comes to mind.)

In the meantime, I bought another gold Eagle last month.

Gold investing comes in many forms—bullion coins, paper proxies like gold ETFs, gold accumulation programs, large- and small-cap gold stocks. Find out which one is right for you, in my 2014 Gold Investor's Guide that you can read free of charge by clicking here.

Learn when is the best time to buy gold and where to get it… the 3 best ways to invest… and how to pick the right gold stocks. Click here to get your free report now.
November 20, 2013 1:35pm



les conseilleurs ne sont pas les payeurs

chacun gère comme il l'entend ;)


Haut
 Profil  
 
 Sujet du message: Re: Gold now cheapest vs stocks since January 2008
MessagePublié: 03 Juin 2014 14:57 
En ligne
Avatar de l’utilisateur

Inscrit le: 18 Oct 2008 17:48
Messages: 3596
A la vue des différents charts, franchement, il n'y a aucune bonne raison pour acheter des mines.
le chart depuis 1983 nous montre qu'à partir des années 94/95 les mines ont sous performées le prix de l'or, il doit surement y avoir une bonne raison?
Rien n'indique une structure de creux, pourquoi acheter maintenant?


Haut
 Profil  
 
 Sujet du message: Re: Gold now cheapest vs stocks since January 2008
MessagePublié: 03 Juin 2014 15:08 
Hors-ligne

Inscrit le: 05 Déc 2012 23:05
Messages: 2356
mook a écrit:
A la vue des différents charts, franchement, il n'y a aucune bonne raison pour acheter des mines.
le chart depuis 1983 nous montre qu'à partir des années 94/95 les mines ont sous performées le prix de l'or, il doit surement y avoir une bonne raison?
Rien n'indique une structure de creux, pourquoi acheter maintenant?


Parce que pour avoir du métal hors sol, il faut bien en trouver et l'extraire.
C'est d'autant plus vrai pour le silver, fortement consommé industriellement, en plus de son aspect monétaire


Haut
 Profil  
 
 Sujet du message: Re: Gold now cheapest vs stocks since January 2008
MessagePublié: 03 Juin 2014 15:22 
Hors-ligne
Avatar de l’utilisateur

Inscrit le: 26 Mar 2010 22:57
Messages: 9729
oui surement des bonnes raisons, la VAD par exemple, les couts de production.....

en 2008 2009 tout le monde crachait sur les bancaires ... suffit de voir les perfs depuis

je persiste à penser que les mines sont les banques de 2008


les manips touchent à leurs fins





Citer:
Je vais te dire comment devenir riche. Ferme la porte. Sois craintif quand les autres sont avides. Sois avide quand les autres sont craintifs.
wb


Haut
 Profil  
 
Afficher les messages depuis:  Trier par  
Publier un nouveau sujet Répondre au sujet  [ 16 messages ]  Aller à la page 1, 2  Suivant

Heures au format UTC + 1 heure [ Heure d’été ]


Qui est en ligne ?

Utilisateurs parcourant actuellement ce forum : Aucun utilisateur inscrit et 314 invités


Vous ne pouvez pas publier de nouveaux sujets dans ce forum
Vous ne pouvez pas répondre aux sujets dans ce forum
Vous ne pouvez pas éditer vos messages dans ce forum
Vous ne pouvez pas supprimer vos messages dans ce forum
Vous ne pouvez pas insérer de pièces jointes dans ce forum

Sauter vers:  
Powered by phpBB2007 phpBB Group
Translated by phpBB.fr © 2007, 2008 phpBB.fr



.*.
*

.*.
*