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Privilégiez les actions et l’or, prudence sur les obligations
Le Figaro 01/10/2012

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Les matières premières ont leur place dans un portefeuille diversifié, mais de façon très sélective. Les métaux non-ferreux sont pénalisés par une demande moins forte de la Chine et les produits alimentaires ont déjà beaucoup monté. L’or doit être présent à l’intérieur d’une allocation diversifiée car la politique que mènent les banques centrales favorise cet actif

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Lu dans un article voisin :

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«Tant qu’on n’a pas vendu, on n’a pas perdu»

C’est de toute évidence le pire conseil que nous ayons entendu. Cela est faux à tous les égards: vous êtes perdant dès qu’une action se dévalorise


Ahhh, enfin quelqu'un démonte ce principe stupide en tout point. Avoir acheté X un truc qui vaut maintenant Y, c'est avoir perdu X-Y, point final. Une perte latente est une perte. Comme un gain latent est un gain. C'est pas pour rien que les gains latents (immo, actions...) sont inclus dans l'assiette ISF.


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Gold news aujoud'hui :
Are the Central Bank Vaults Empty?
Are the Central Bank Vaults Empty?




By: Charles Goyette

-- Posted Monday, 8 October 2012 Source: GoldSeek.com
Is it possible that the vaults of the world’s central banks, believed to be stacked with gold bullion, are really empty? Is all the gold actually there?
Something about the numbers doesn’t seem to add up.
The importance of the question accelerates in the face of global money-printing, which is also accelerating. Since the start of the economic meltdown five years ago, the balance sheets of the world’s central banks have been growing at a frantic pace.
The U.K. has led the pack, up 362%, followed by the United States, which is up 223% – even before QE III. China is printing money as well, up 151% during the period, the European Central Bank, 146%, and Japan, 83%.
That’s a lot of money-printing.
But take heart, because while the currencies of all those countries are absolutely, 100% fiat – redeemable in nothing but more of the same paper – the world’s central banks are said to have huge reserves of gold bullion. The U.S., U.K., the euro zone, Switzerland, Japan and the International Monetary Fund report having gold reserves of 23,349 tons among them.
Central banks of the world’s terminally indebted countries prefer the fiction that paper money that’s printed at little cost, or digital bookkeeping entries that are created at no cost, is money and therefore constitutes real wealth. However, there must be a reason that central banks universally hold gold reserves.
They don’t hold pork bellies.
At this point, Eric Sprott, of the estimable Sprott Asset Management, enters the discussion, asking some inconvenient questions. Because something about the gold numbers – supply and demand – doesn’t seem to add up.
Here’s the mystery in brief, from the Sprott report called, "Do Western Central Banks Have Any Gold Left???"
New mine supply of gold this year is estimated to be just under 2,700 tons. But gold demand, growing rapidly over the last 12 years, amounts to an additional 2,268 tons of new gold demand a year today that didn’t exist in 2000.
That number was derived from the buying of just five sources: non-western central banks (Russia, Turkey, Kazakhstan, Ukraine and the Philippines), the mints of the U.S. and Canada, ETFs, and Chinese and Indian consumption.
This increase in gold demand seems to actually understate the matter, since it doesn’t include huge private investment purchases of physical gold from around the world. For example, Sprott cites China’s Hong Kong gold imports, expected to reach 785 tons this year, as just one additional source of net investment that sees real total demand exceeding new mine supply.
But the private investment demand amounts to much more than the Hong Kong gold imports he cites.
Other substantial purchases of physical bullion include those by hedge funds and other institutions (the University of Texas endowment fund alone purchased and took delivery of $1 billion of physical gold in 2011), as well as purchases by Russian plutocrats and Persian Gulf petrocrats.
The bull market in gold has, after all, been a global event.
In short, Sprott concludes there is a big discrepancy between real physical gold demand (own any gold bars yourself? If so, they don’t show up in the demand numbers!) and the purported supply.
Where Is All the Gold Coming from?
Who is selling the gold that fills the gap between supply and fast-growing demand? Who is releasing physical gold to the market without it being reported, Sprott asks?
"There is only one possible candidate: the Western central banks. It may very well be that a large portion of physical gold currently flowing to new buyers is actually coming from the Western central banks themselves. They are the only holders of physical gold who are capable of supplying gold in a quantity and manner that cannot be readily tracked …
"Under current reporting guidelines, therefore, central banks are permitted to continue carrying the entry of physical gold on their balance sheet even if they’ve swapped it or lent it out entirely. You can see this in the way Western central banks refer to their gold reserves.
"The UK government, for example, refers to its gold allocation as, ‘Gold (including gold swapped or on loan).’ That’s the verbatim phrase they use in their official statement.
"Same goes for the U.S. Treasury and the ECB, which report their gold holdings as ‘Gold (including gold deposits and, if appropriate, gold swapped)’ and ‘Gold (including gold deposits and gold swapped),’ respectively.
"Unfortunately, that’s as far as their description goes, as each institution does not break down what percentage of their stated gold reserves are held in physical, versus what percentage has been loaned out or swapped for something else.
"The fact that they do not differentiate between the two is astounding."
Loans? Swaps? Repurchase agreements? A house of cards by any other name would topple as fast.
It is impossible to know exactly what shenanigans are afoot at the Federal Reserve. Have the gold reserves held by the Fed, the property of the American people, been loaned out? Have the banksters and other Fed cronies borrowed U.S. gold, sold it to China, and left an IOU in the Fed’s vaults?
In an age rich with banking and other institutional, credit, and counterparty failures and frauds, such transactions are anything but prudent. Especially since whatever gold the Fed holds is not its property.
In a one-time partial audit that the Federal Reserve resisted mightily, the Government Accounting Office found that from Dec. 1, 2007, through July 21, 2010, the Federal Reserve provided more than $16 trillion – a sum equal to America’s entire visible national debt – in secret loans to some of the world’s most politically powerful banks and companies.
Among the major recipients of the windfall were Citigroup, Morgan Stanley, Merrill Lynch, Bank of America, Bear Stearns and Goldman Sachs. But the beneficiaries weren’t just American financial institutions.
Central Banker to the World?
At one point (in October 2008), 70% of Fed loans were to foreign banks. Foreign recipients of the windfall included powerful European banks: Barclays, Royal Bank of Scotland, Deutsche Bank, UBS, Credit Suisse and others.
Among the disclosures the Fed was forced to make is that it extended 73 separate loans for an aggregate $35 billion to Arab Bank Corp., owned in substantial part by the Central Bank of Libya.
The Fed is a hot bed of cronyism: The discount window, bond purchasing, its primary dealer system and pricing structure, currency and gold swaps and repurchase agreements, Open Market Committee operations, and so on.
The light of a full and thorough audit is likely to find all kinds of cronies lurking in these dark corners of the Fed.
And with the new, third round of quantitative easing under way, it may not be long before the money-printing game collapses entirely. At that point the calamity will compound if Americans turn to the vaults where the gold was purported to be, and find that the gold has long since been loaned out or otherwise cleaned out.
October 6, 2012
Charles Goyette [send him mail] is the author of the New York Timesbestseller The Dollar Meltdown.


A very important article by Alasdair Macleod on the subject of China and its role in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SC0).

The SCO consists of the governments of China,Russia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgystan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan and together they produce 26% of global gold production of 2700 tonnes. All of SCO gold production is kept inside their respective countries. Future members seeking to join the organization include India, Iran, Pakistan, Mongolia Afghanistan,Belarus and Sri Lanka. The gold imported by citizens of China and the future member India account for all of the remaining global gold production save 400 to 500 tonnes.
The chief goal of the SCO: to do away with the USA dollar.
The Iranian situation is playing a big part here. Due to the embargo on Iran, this Persian nation must settle its trade in gold. China receives much of its oil from Iran and settles in gold. China sells essential goods to Iran and receives gold. As more and more gold settles into the SCO organization they would want a higher price for gold. This causes a massive dilemma for the Americans as they are trying to suppress the price of gold to keep the dollar higher.

The high OI on gold and the huge short positions by our commercials is setting up conditions for a big smash on gold as our regulators just keep their eyes shut on this fraud. You must be very careful if you trade the paper gold/silver game at the comex.

(courtesy Norcini, Maund/Kingworld news)

Norcini, Maund see gold futures set up for a smash down
Submitted by cpowell on Sun, 2012-10-07 20:37. Section: Daily Dispatches
4:30p ET Sunday, October 7, 2012
Dear Friend of GATA and Gold:
Futures market analysts Dan Norcini and Clive Maund read trader positioning in gold as a setup for a big smashing of hedge funds and speculative longs by the big commercial shorts. Norcini's comments come in an interview with King World News excerpted here:
http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/ ... /10/7_Mo...
Maund's commentary is posted at GoldSeek here:
http://news.goldseek.com/CliveMaund/1349700600.php
CHRIS POWELL, Secretary/Treasurer
Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee Inc

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Official gold reserves rise by $1.89 billion dollars to $28.13 billion dollars for week ending Sept 28.

The increase in gold oz is approximately: 1 million and 80 oz of gold or 33 tonnes of gold

India Gold reserves hit $28.13 billion

Total foreign exchange reserves went up by $837.8 million to $294.81 billion for the week ended Sep 28, 2012.


NEW DELHI(BullionStreet): India's gold reserves jumped by $1.89 billlion to hit $28.13 billion at the end of September 28.
According to country's central bank, the Reserve Bank of India (RBI), value of gold reserves climbed up for the first time in two weeks .The gold reserves were stagnant at $26.23 billion for the past two weeks.
Total foreign exchange reserves went up by $837.8 million to $294.81 billion for the week ended Sep 28, 2012. Forex was down $502 million for the week ended Sep 21, 2012…http://www.bullionstreet.com/news/india-gold-reserves-hit-28.13-billion/3059
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and this major piece from our good friends over at the silverdoctors website.

As I warned you on many occasions, Barrick is going to have great difficulty mining this stuff as the entire ore body is under a glacier and removal would create environmental problems for both Argentina and for sure in Chile. This important source of water is needed for Chile's agriculture.

The following will have consequences for Barrick and Silver Wheaton. If Barrick cannot provide the silver to Silver Wheaton from Pascua Lama mining, then they must supply silver from other sites or equivalent in gold from Barrick's holdings!!
Times are tough for Barrick!!


ARGENTINA’S SUPREME COURT HAS REVERSED A LOWER COURT RULING THAT SUSPENDED A GLACIER PROTECTION LAW IN MINING-FRIENDLY SAN JUAN PROVINCE, THREATENING TO DERAIL SEVERAL MULTI-BILLION-DOLLAR MINING PROJECTS.
THE RULING MEANS THAT PROJECTS SUCH AS BARRICK GOLD CORP.’S (ABX, ABX.T) PASCUA-LAMA MINE WILL HAVE TO CONDUCT AN INVENTORY OF NEARBY GLACIAL ICE BEFORE PROCEEDING WITH CONSTRUCTION, ACCORDING TO THE RULING ISSUED TUESDAY.


And now for your more important paper stories which will certainly have an influence on the physical price of gold and silver:


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Now that Catalonia is seeking early elections and threatens to secede from Spain
we now witness turmoil inside Spain. The Spanish need the bailout cash but not the austerity which must come with the bailouts.

Spain wants the new ESM mechanism in place to issue the bailout funds. However as part of the deal regulators are to determine what Spain must do in order to receive the bailout funds. The Germans, the Dutch and the Finns have stated that they will not release any money until banking supervision is in place.
Rajoy is totally against this.

Spain has only 3 options:

1. the Greek route..agreeing to austerity in order to receive funds.
2. Rajoy refused austerity, and then replaced by a technocrat and then the bailout begins. (the Italian route e.g. Berlusconi replaced by Monti)
3. Spain defaults and leaves the Euro.

the problem of course, is the huge run on Spanish banks as citizens are fully aware that Spain will eventually return to the Pesata as Spain devalues. Spain also is witnessing its 6 region in desperate need of cash, (Canarias) and that the richest province, Catalonia which houses Barcelona threatening to secede

Two important commentaries on Germany:

the first: it is sensible for Germany to leave the euro but they are just not ready to do so.
the second: if Germany left the euro, they would be better off!


(courtesy UK Telegraph/Roger Bottle) special thanks to Robert H for sending

> Sensible for Germany to leave euro, but they're not ready
>
> It is beginning to dawn on the Germans that if the euro holds together they’ll have to stump up more and more money.
>
> german flag flying fluttering on flagpole outside reichstag building Berlin Germany

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C'est possible de faire un petit résumé de 3 ou 4 lignes en français pour savoir de quoi parle le texte ?
J'avoue qu'un gros pavé comme çà en anglais, c'est pas super motivant.

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Rapidement, car lecture en super diagonale.

1/ La question qui se pose: les BC occidentales ont-elle encore du vrai Or dans leur Coffre ? La pavé en doute beaucoup.
My comment: cette question est depuis longtemps débattue. Cf les article du gata. Cf aussi le procès Blanchard.
En résumé: du fait du besoin de maintenir (comprimer) le prix du gold, la technique préférée des BC est le Gold-Lease. Les BC offrent aux Bullion-banks du Gold en lease (loyer) moyennant un taux ridicule (0.25% ou qq chose). Les bullion se pressent de vendre ce Gold sur le marché (ce qui fait chuter le prix du gold), et placent le produit sur des Tnotes ou Tbonds. Elles gagnent ainsi minimum 4%. Evidemment, comme le gold est vendu, elle ne peuvent plus le rendre. On roule la position, en payant la soulte en papier monnaie. Seulement ce cirque dure depuis les années 1980. Résultat logique: les coffres des BC sont vidées, en grande partie ou mm en totalité. Le Gata avait fait une super étude la dessus, d'où il en résulte (chiffres de 2005 circa) que les BC n'avaient pas la moitié du gold qu'elle prétendent.

Le deuxième pavé concerne la politique des BC asiatiques amérique du Sud etc (les Bric). C'est le contraire: elles accumulent du gold. Le point, c'est l'Iran. l'embargo Us a eu un effet inattendu (par ceux qui l'ont préconisé). L'Iran vend maintenant son pétrole contre du Gold, ou en troc. La soulte est reglée en Gold. Circulez, y a plus rien à voir...
my comment: une des plus stupide décisions des Usa a été d'exclure les banques d'Iran du système swift. Là, c'est pas une balle, mais un obus qu'ils se sont tiré dans le pied.!!!

Pas vu encore le reste. Mais c'est du bon.

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Une Gold anti-news :

CGB a refait son site, avec le look argent.fr (bleu-vert). Au passage, la section sur l'or de Bourse, autrefois assez documentée, avec pour chaque pièce côtée :
- Historique
- Collectionner
- Les faux
- Comment acheter
- Comment vendre

a disparue.
Les deux dernières sections avaient été supprimées quand ils se sont retiré du marché de l'or.
Là, ils ont tout enlevé, le chapitre or ne contient plus d'infos originales mais juste des reprises d'articles, surtout issus de vieux BN.


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ALERTE - Afrique du Sud: Gold Fields menace de licencier 23.500 mineurs d'or


JOHANNESBURG - Le groupe minier sud-africain Gold Fields, dont plusieurs mines d'or sont paralysées depuis septembre, a menacé de licencier 23.500 grévistes soit les deux-tiers de son personnel, s'ils ne mettent pas fin à leur grève sauvage d'ici jeudi à la mi-journée.

L'entreprise a diffusé ce (mardi) matin un ultimatum à tous les travailleurs en grève leur demandant de se présenter au travail au plus tard jeudi à 14h00, sous peine de licenciement immédiat, a déclaré lors d'un point-presse téléphonique le directeur général, Nick Holland. Il a précisé que la majeure partie du personnel avait commencé à revenir à son poste dans une des mines du groupe à Beatrix (centre).


( 16 octobre 2012 16h21)

http://www.romandie.com/news/n/_ALERTE_ ... 121623.asp


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ALERTE - Afrique du Sud: Gold Fields menace de licencier 23.500 mineurs d'or


JOHANNESBURG - Le groupe minier sud-africain Gold Fields, dont plusieurs mines d'or sont paralysées depuis septembre, a menacé de licencier 23.500 grévistes soit les deux-tiers de son personnel, s'ils ne mettent pas fin à leur grève sauvage d'ici jeudi à la mi-journée.

L'entreprise a diffusé ce (mardi) matin un ultimatum à tous les travailleurs en grève leur demandant de se présenter au travail au plus tard jeudi à 14h00, sous peine de licenciement immédiat, a déclaré lors d'un point-presse téléphonique le directeur général, Nick Holland. Il a précisé que la majeure partie du personnel avait commencé à revenir à son poste dans une des mines du groupe à Beatrix (centre).

( 16 octobre 2012 16h21)


:lol: Merci pour l'info en tout cas. ;)


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M. Holland a en revanche précisé que la majeure partie du personnel avait commencé à revenir à son poste dans l'une des mines du groupe à Beatrix (centre).

Il y a des signes positifs venant de Beatrix, a-t-il dit, en précisant: Nous avons environ 5.000 personnes de retour au travail, ce qui veut dire que nous avons toujours environ 1.200 absents sur le site de Beatrix nord et sud. C'est trop tôt pour dire si la grève est terminée.

http://www.romandie.com/news/n/_Afrique ... 121643.asp
le boss s'appelle M.Holland ! :) !


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